On 07 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
Weatherwise it's been warm cool warm cool warm cool interpersed with dry wet dry wet dry wet with intermittent cloudy sunny cloudy sunny cloudy sunny spells. I think that describes Piers forecast perfectly for the past week, up to and including yesterday. Piers...could I order 5 days of warm, dry weather (not windy) for the last week in September please? Thanks awfully!
On 07 Mar 2014, Russ 45 day subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Apparently, aluminium in soils reacts with CO2 slowing down it's absorption back into the biosphere. So the spraying of aluminium particles to reflect UV may be counterproductive. Oh dear! Paddy, you got me at it again...flippin conspiracy theories! Maybe the spraying is to cause a slight warming (NASA say contrails = net warming), to offset the coming Little Ice Age?? However we work the equation, the elite are getting super-rich by selling to all those newly affluent Asians. Starving them would be counterproductive. I like that word. It helps describe almost every conspiracy theory I've come across. The more you analyse the theory, the more it fails. You always end up more confused than when you started. ... I'll stick with my pet conspiracy theory, that if the elite really were going to reduce the population, they would release a virus and vaccinate folk on a post-code basis. Useless eaters get the placebo vaccine! Would the survivers kick up a fuss? I very much doubt it!
On 07 Mar 2014, Russ 45 day subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Page 2... a way of holding back the veggies so the people keep starving and their economies falter. So if chemtrails are designed quite simply to reflect ultraviolet light to subdue plant growth, along with reduced CO2 levels at ground level, then I think this is a perfectly feasible reason for the spraying of tiny reflective particles. Not to prevent runaway global warming or to poison everyone but to prevent the Asian economic giants from doing to us, what we have been doing to them for the past 200 years. Back when CO2 levels were 1,000ppm and temperatures were 8C higher, we had giant vegetation and this plentiful food supply led to giant animals. Todays very low CO2 levels and poor temperatures have led to a world full of small creatures and ground loving plants. Underground farms with artificial lighting and high CO2 levels will see us through the cold that's to come, but the western elite will be the ones who own the farms while they let the rest of the world starve...IMO
On 07 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
I do think about the possible geo-engineering angle of chemtrails from a global warming point of view. What would be gained by this? The western economies are being protected by financial hitmen who undermine growth in the rapidly expanding Asian economies by nurturing acceptance of aid packages.Trigger a modicum of civil war to lose the country bi$$ions on share prices for that countries commodities, and you have them by the small and squidgies. Debt that can never be paid back, so that countries leaders become western lapdogs. Any back-chat and they get replaced by leaders chosen by the west who will do as they are told. But China and India are huge, with vast populations living in, what will be, prime agricultural land when the Little Ice Age gets established. That's where everyone will migrate when the snow gets too deep back home. India will become lush with vegetation when world temperatures nosedive, as will Africa. So maybe keeping CO2 levels low is primarily.... cont'd...
On 07 Mar 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paddy... When I researched chemtrails I found the usual conspiracy contradictions which rang alarm bells. One of the best is that aluminium nano particles are being used as a human immune system poison. But aluminium is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust and the third most abundant element. So it's not surprising that we find nano particles of the stuff in the soil. We are testing soil samples in 2014 after 50 years of aluminium metal and salts production. That stuff must be everywhere by now. We put a gramme under each armpit daily. Also, they may be spraying tons of the stuff at 60,000 feet but by the time it's dissipated it will be incredibly rarefied and most of it would end up in the ocean eventually. Reflecting high energy particle beams at a distant enemy is plausible. They must be very close to having the first plasma weapons by now. Magnetically accelerating white hot gas at many times the speed of sound. Bullet proof vests and tanks become obsolete Interesting times
On 06 Mar 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
7˚C overnight and this morning at 7.30, SW wind as usual, feeling really mild. MO once again predicted heavy rain all day with their usual automated unreliable stuff. Because they have no foresight, they either under- or overestimate what will happen; we are in an R3 just now, so they're overegging the pudding. We did get rain eventually for a few hours tonight. Temp hit an amazing 11˚C, back down to 5˚ by 10pm, SW wind. == Ron G: a very inspiring article! http://andywightman.com/?p=3291 I wasn't so savvy when we planted our trees 23 years ago, so I could have done better; we have so much rock and water-logging in part, A rubra would probably have done well. == Russ: I thought that lassie rather courageous, I've listened to some interviews with her, don't think she has a crooked agenda; this is not evidence, of course, but sufficient research will show you that there is something nasty going on.
On 06 Mar 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, Sub) wrote:
...cont...that is a major assumption based upon a hypothesis that has spectacularly failed - even Lamb, aptly, warned in 1997 about the psychological moronic climate reactions "We also see that account must be taken of psychological reactions—even in the influential research community—to the variations towards greater or less warmth as and when they occur" see (must read ffor full quote) http://craigm350.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/co2-a-cycle-of-excuses/ ===The frozen viruses *may* be a threat but that is the vector threat-exploration/exposure (oil/gas/naturalists/idiot climate scientists=more human contact in region =more exposure). It has NADA to do with Human emissions of CO2. But I guess that phrase was just to get funding and ttherefore has no basis in fact, no matter the worth of the report (idiot assumptions on climate excluded of course).
On 06 Mar 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, Sub) wrote:
Ron/Lorraine- Anthony Watts put the sea level scare/shenanigans into perspective === http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/05/the-statute-of-liberty-is-threatened-by-global-warming-again/ === he makes it ~7000 years. As usual these predictions are unverifiable in any of our lifetimes. +++ Russ - old viruses are quite *possibly* a threat as they did mention, for example, recurrence of smallpox *possibly* Of course despite immunity we may have built since viruses can mutate to overcome...but...they do that anyway as the flu virus attests (or the lingering cough-cold virus- I've seen travel from Essex along Thames Estuary this winter (hard to shift I & several others have found)...my issue is the warming scenario in the Arctic is a sham scare. Abnormal Arctic warmth warm happened 200y ago too (and in early part 20thC -any examples) - that is the false part...cont....
On 06 Mar 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, Sub) wrote:
Just to throw something in regarding Nigella's rain comments. According to MetO winter 13/14 had 532mm
http://bit.ly/1qcm4V2 ===
Was watching a prog on Mumbai last night and it mentioned 1m (1000mm) falling in 1day (the trains were back to normal in 48hrs!). http://bit.ly/1g3t02x === for the Ganges Delta "The rainy season lasts from June to September; annual rainfall averages between 750–1,500 mm (30–59 in) across the region" http://bit.ly/1fLQCUS === some parts of Hawaii recieve over ~10x more (5080mm+) annually.
We also have no rain guages in the ocean. So whilst it was bl***y wet it's a fraction. I know from time in Equatorial regions even the most heavy dowpour I've seen here is nothing, relatively speaking. I remember massive floods one year where when it was chucking it down, nearby buildings 'disappeared' from view and the massive flood drains overflowed (being the late 70s we drove through them - not a river but prob not wise). Just a thought anyway.
On 06 Mar 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paddy.... I have a sneeking feeling that the young lady in the video will send you to testing labs of her choosing (hers?) or associated ones probably run by her close ex-uni friends, if you were to e-mail her with your rain samples. It comes across like an advert selling water testing facilities. I don't doubt that this is going on but I do doubt that it's to poison the population in general. If so, why are they only spraying western countries (themselves)? Why was there a sudden increase in contrails/chemtrails in Iraq when the wars started that petered out after the initial bomb dropping ceased? Why would they spray Nebraska, home to...well...not a lot really. Lot's of grass and air and roads to nowhere..... On a lighter note, take a look at this my good man >> http://youtu.be/shkFDPI6kGE << How about halving your farms energy costs overnight? .... Trees? I miss the mighty Elms. A bit rare these days in England.... Have to make do with the mighty Beech!
On 06 Mar 2014, Steve,Dorset,UK wrote:
This is on the WUWT site, I have been saying this for a few years that we Baby Boomer's of piers age and my age are the lucky ones and have had the most benign time ever and it will be all down hill as far as temps are concerned from now on.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/06/new-book-twilight-of-abundance/
As for the Greens and Fellow travellers they are totally out of the loop and should be left to howl at the Moon.
Bare in mind that Piers has been Telling us this and we ignore it at our peril.
On 06 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
Current (8 AM) temps of 3.4 and -0.7 C resp. Kollum (3.3 C, no windchill) has dew point at 1.5 C, wind from ESE, bp at 1026 mb (-) and humidity at 88%. Physics etc; Hawkings may indeed be 'a bit tough' for the layman, but a nice introduction to physics is Gary Zukov's "Dancing Wu Li Masters". Although not comprehensive, it does provide newcomers to the 'matter' a good (and oftentimes humorous) overview. Just a hint. - Spent most of this week reducing large chuncks of (black) Alder to firewood. Love to see the released carbon monoxide turning the wood in brilliant hues of orange and (right beneath the bark) even bright scarlet when exposed to oxygen. Alder is the most common tree here, probably because it is well suited to wet conditions. The trees have a 'mutualistic' symbiosis with the Frankia bacteria, the latter living in little clumps at the tree's roots. These bacteria bind nitrogen from the air to the soil, turning the tree into a fertilizer.
On 06 Mar 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub NZ) wrote:
Following the reports on the flooding in Christchurch, we had a warning on tonight's news about the rising sea levels to come in NZ due to global warming http://www.3news.co.nz/Global-warming-warning-after-ChCh-floods/tabid/423/articleID/334865/Default.aspx Unadulterated rubbish of course.
On 05 Mar 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Slight frost, fairly clear start, 2˚C at 7.30 rising to 8˚ max, no rain all day, SW breeze, overcast, no sun. == Ron Greer: excellent article! I will read it & the many comments as soon as I can, the pictures alone are very exciting, just goes to show what happens when deer are not controlled & trees not protected; we've struggled with roe while trying to establish our forest, which looked like a collection of green stove pipes for many years. Thanks for suggesting alnus rubra, I will give this a try. == Russ: chemtrails > http://bit.ly/1gb01pU
On 05 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
if i had the cash i would offer a yearly prize for the best long range weather forecast that also demonstrated its meteorological logic. Offering prizes was often the way innovation came sometimes despite the official views of conservatism....e.g longitude clock,.... .Because proven long range forecasting is a stake in the heart for the co2ers multi billion £ gravy train no official research will go into it and they even deny it is possible. I have seen 1 amateur who did predict the storms back in oct2013 and he described his reasoning. there must be more talented minds working with no pay who could progress meteorology beyond the co2 dogma and advance the cause of science?
On 05 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
CRAIG: the sea level threat bunkum, reached new levels of inanity today both in the broadsheet press and BBC Scotland news. Apparently Skara Brae Stone Age village is under threat from sea level rise. The site will disappear in a million years a it is some 43 metres above sea level!!!
On 05 Mar 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, Sub) wrote:
Paul Homewood has found out that David Camoron's recent iviews on the excessive rainfall was based on him looking out the window. Science be damned ===
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/unbelievable/
On 05 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
Re... 30k year old virus. No problem. We should all be immune to those ancient viruses already after living with them for over 100,000 years. Our immune systems should just shrug them off. It's the new ones we should worry about. .... Talking of viruses, the sky full of contrails is back.... should be due to the very moist air preceding todays rain front ... but you never know!...... I had to scrape ice off the car windscreen last night around 9.30pm.
On 05 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
Craig.... no problem. I'll repost when you are ready.......
On 05 Mar 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, Sub) wrote:
@Russ - the 'event' I had ended (6 months I think). I can see the thumbnails for your pix but can't access them. Will set up another but for all weather & clouds. Will post on here when ready to go. Hope you don't mind reposting!
On 05 Mar 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, Sub) wrote:
Three very silly stories == 1) Climate change threatens avacodos (only the US is not a big producer) http://bit.ly/1g9WCYn === 2) 30k year old virus.. "Since the 1970s, the permafrost has retreated and reduced in thickness, and climate change projections suggest it will" oooh scary erm except those projections continue to fail http://bbc.in/1i8yOuW === 3) Warming threatens to submerge Sydney Opera House in 2000 years time!!! Best not mention the idiots can't predict a near 18 yr pause or Iit might sppil thier 'doom cult' fun http://bit.ly/1oqsADW
On 05 Mar 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
Really enjoy reading a variety of info & opinions on this site, great mind expanding stuff, even if only take in a fraction of it gives plenty to think on whilst getting the algae off the Polytunnel, around 9 degrees green & cloudy here...
On 05 Mar 2014, Nigella wrote:
time to time subscriber
Heavy frost in East Berks this morning. All the drivers out de-icing their windscreens. Overcast now with ripples of altocumulous undulatous
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Thank you Russ. More confused than ever now. I'll stick to a bit of dabbling in the causes of weather & leave all the universe stuff to bigger brains than mine!
On 05 Mar 2014, Michael wrote:
Hello Michael here again from Japan!
Well after having massive amounts of snow fall in February the last day of Feb and first couple of days of March brought milder, wet weather for a short time. We went 91 days straight from late November to end of February were the temps were below freezing every single night during these 91 days.
After 3 days of temps only getting down to a very mild 0.2 and a 2.2 it went back below freezing from the 3rd and should stay like that until at least next week with mid winter temps from tomorrow.
Today we had a high of 1oC and got 25cm of snow, to add on the already tons of snow we anyway had lying around from the Feb storms.
Even if we don't get anymore snow this snow we have will be here until April with the snow piles maybe until May. If we get more snow who knows when it will melt!
We may be in spring now, but the weather is far from spring!
On 05 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
Blimey! Went off on a bit of a rant there...but it get's my goat, all this 'settled shenanigans' bull poop. Any road up... was watching a Siskin yesterday, singing away while preening, must breathe through their ears or something. Actually, that being said, the way birds breathe is enough to make ones head explode with pure wonder. It helps you understand how the Skylark manages to gain height so rapidly, then hover for a minute or two, while singing, none stop, at the very loudest of it's abilities. The Siskin has one of the most beautiful songs of any bird I know. Beautiful plumage too....
On 05 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
Page 3... There are dozens of theory's of how the universe 'began' and they all consider the universe being finite and having a beginning, yet every single one 'must' be ultimately of infinite extent. To fob us off with wild talk about there being nothing outside our (the), universe, is nothing short of hoodwinking. Even if there were a pure vacuum outside a finite universe with no particles, no magnetic field, no light, just nothing, then that nothingness still has to go on forever. There cannot be a boundary. And as for multi-dimensions...don't get me started on that virtual circus of mirrors, magicians and many-worlds. Ideas piled on assumptions piled on pushed equations with not a single speck of evidence to be seen. This 3 dimensional miracle we live in is fascinating enough for me without having to dress it up with multiple virtualness. Give me a good old fashioned solar flare and summer rain anyday over Hawking and his 'ever changing fairy story'....
On 05 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
Page 2... settled science. Which is where Saskia's "contradictio in terminis" comes into the equation. This is another scientific gravy train of virtual particles, black holes, big bangs and supersymmetry. The science of redshifted light is by no means settled. >> http://www.haltonarp.com/articles << Or try Eric Lerner >> http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org/ << Science has been undermined and held back for the past 100 years. We all have to learn anew Nigella but we have to throw away the blinkers first. You have the opportunity to start from scratch and choose the more logical path. The most difficult brain exercise for anyone is to try and imagine the universe going on 'forever' in all directions. Can't comprehend it? You are not alone. I find trying to understand (picture), an infinite universe a wonderful pastime. The tiny speck you referred to becomes how 'tiny' when you think about the universe being infinite? ..cont'd
On 05 Mar 2014, BLACK PEARL wrote:
This is Good
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2014/02/28/exclusive-former-greenpeace-founders-reality-check-liberals
On 05 Mar 2014, Russ NE Derbyshire subscriber wrote:
Nigella... Edwin Hubble, while studying quasars, found that their light spectrums were redshifted, and the farther away they seemed i.e. smaller and fainter, the more their light was redshifted. ASSUPTION! The universe MUST be expanding! Thousands of students today are being brainwashed into believing that space itself is growing...pure flippin magic! Then these same scientists poo-poo the idea that the Earth is growing, even though NASA tell us that hundreds of tons of protons are poured into the Earth's poles from it's magnetic connection with the Sun every 8 minutes. That's around 467 trillion tons of matter added since the dinosaurs disappeared 65 million years ago e.g. the 3 Gorges Dam in China holds back 40 billion tons or 39 cubic miles of water. Multiply that by 467,000 and you get some idea of the rate of matter being added today. Did the Sun pour much larger amounts of matter into the Earth's poles 1,000 or 1 million years ago?? The expanding universe is supposed to be cont'd
On 05 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY-ABERDEEN: Thanks for the feedback. An Icelandic forester said to me once, among other very telling homilies, 'in the end, the trees tell you where they are going to grow' The Larch will in the end change the sol site conditions to allow other things to grow under their light canopy. I have noticed very suttle differences in the soild preferences of A. incana and A.glutinosa, though the former are more cold hardy. At Loch Garry A.cordata went into 'Krummholz mode. Of all the alders it was Red Alder that grew the fastest . The following will give you some insight into what we were about. http://andywightman.com/?p=3291
On 05 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
piers- might be a nice bit of evidence for the evidence page to have that article with the WA forecasts leading into it so people can see? .....i posted the link to the bbc article on the meto blog where it says long range cannot be done. lol
On 05 Mar 2014, Clive wrote:
The last wettest winter on record before it was beaten was 1995 but that was followed by a long period of drier conditions. The summer was hot and was one of the driest on record. It was then followed by a very cold winter with a lot of easterly winds and snow events. The winter of 1914/15 was a record wet winter and that was followed by a series of cold winters. According to http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/1916_weather.htm
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/1917_weather.htm. The winter of 1916/17 was very severe and lasted throughout all the winter months.
It could be this exceptionally wet winter could also be followed by a very cold snowy winter perhaps as soon as next year perhaps. With the sun quiet as it is now the cold could be record breaking.
On 05 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont.] - The KNMI estimates that a winter like this in the present-day climate will occur less than once every 25 years." Oh Dear Lord. Contradictio In Terminis? Fact: the general public will "swallow" every word by official institutions like the KNMI. Fact: most people don't bother to try and allign what is said with fact & numbers. Fact: the general public will not easily be persuaded that reality is, in fact, different from what they're being told. Especially because stories like these http://bit.ly/1hXoiCW are pushed onto the net. Piers, you have your work cut out for you!
On 05 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont.] - with a Hellmann number of 1.8. However, according to the KNMI, 2007 should be at the bottom, and 1990 right above. But they aren't! The winter of 2007 is ranked at #105 with a H.N of 27.8 and 1990 at # 54 with a H.N. of 78.8!!! Now, the KNMI weather station is situated at De Bilt in the province of Utrecht, in the middle of the country. Here https://goo.gl/maps/vkGGF. If you happen to have a Google earth plug-in you can see that the tower stands between two buildings in an area with houses and many trees. And that's where the definitive temperature registration for the whole (!) of the country takes place. "At De Bilt, the mean temperature over 24 hours did not drop below freezing even once during the past months." Yes, well, figures, doesn't it? But wait, there's more! "Midway during the past century this would be all but impossible, but (wait for it ...) DUE TO THE WARMING OF THE EARTH chances of a winter with so little cold have increased. [cont.]
On 05 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont.] - I caught a glimpse of the very first bumble bee during the weekend! Seems like Nature is rushing headlong towards Spring. However, we do have many sayings in Dutch with regard to March and April being able to throw Spring for a loop. Current temps (8 AM) 5.4 vs 3.0 C, actual and windchill resp. Oh yes, and the Dutch KNMI has stated that "the past winter was the second mildest since registration began in our country in 1706". According to them, the mean temp over Dec, Jan and Febr was 6.0 Celsius, similar to the winter of 1990. The mildest winter on record was the one of 2007, with a mean temp of 6.5 Celsius. Yet the site of the Losser weather station (http://bit.ly/1g9rwjA, Overijssel province, near the German border) shows a completely different story! The site shows winters ranked by their so-called "Hellmann numbers" (the negative integral of daily mean temperatures below zero). Those numbers place this winter, indeed, at the bottom of the list at #121 [cont.]
On 05 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
Some scientists are "75 per cent certain that 2014 will be the hottest summer on record" (source: http://ind.pn/1fXEXEq), caused by the development of a (weak) El Niño in the 3rd quarter of 2014 (source: http://bit.ly/1hJb91c). Other scientists think it will be "El Nada" or neither an El Niño or La Niña. In the case of the "hot" scientists being correct, it bears the question: will the soil still be sodden by all this precipitation, and if so, how humid will it be? Which brings about another question: if the summer turns out to be cool and rainy, and the water table remains high, what can we expect next Fall and Winter? My own experience is that, if soil remains water logged and frost settles in, the cold will be that much harsher. I think the summer scenario will have to be watched very carefully in order to (semi-)predict what next winter will be like. - OT: birds singing, moss and sebaceous plants along the edges of the streets and meadows are flowering, and ... [cont.]
On 05 Mar 2014, Piers_corbyn wa forecaster wrote:
BRILL REPORTAGE & COMMS ALL. -- RICHARD YES timely reminder re BBC Roger Harrabin article. Note it was written JAN 2010 just after cold winter 09-10. By the time we got to DEC 2010 they had better formulated their internal censorship and at the depth of that astounding coldest in 100 yrs DEC 2010 I was arranged to come onto BBC breakfast about the weather we had predicted in general 7 months ahead for snow in Dec and nearer the time the super cold. They pulled me at the last minute having instead the govt chief scientific officer. I said to them when informed 'he knows FA about this' . My forecast was NOT ACKNOWLEDGED. Thanks PC.
On 05 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
just a reminder even the bbc reported a WA success back in 2010....."Piers Corbyn, the independent weather forecaster, predicted the winter cold many months ago, to the surprise of many meteorologists."........http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8462890.stm
On 05 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
paddy.... on realclimate even there one guy said maybe the problem with the metO is they now totally rely on what the models churn out and don't even look out the window anymore. Piers forecasts events within a time window from long distance yet they give him hassle when they don't own the 5 day forecast anymore. Meto have published their success stats for first 2 days only so one can assume after that its low....http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/who/accuracy/forecasts...so really meto can only do 2 day forecasts which frankly u don't need a £30m supercomputer for . The supercomputer is not for the UK forecasts then its for the ipcc. So MetO spends most of the uk tax money on the ipcc and not developing the best possible forecasting for the uk? Which is why the floods that cost the uk 100s of millions came as a surprise even tho others forecast the storms months out using just normal meteorological reasoning. Something wrong with uk weather service imo. Seems like its been hijacked?
On 05 Mar 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub NZ) wrote:
Following hail, snow and gales in the last few days Christchurch NZ has now been hit by flooding following 24 hours of rain http://www.3news.co.nz/Christchurchs-one-in-100-year-flood/tabid/423/articleID/334693/Default.aspx They're calling it a one in 100 year flood but its more likely a taste of things to come. We're starting to feel a little nervous about what we might get in NZ as we progress into the MIA.
On 04 Mar 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Yesterday, the MO predicted heavy rain all day - and we only had some post mid afternoon, for today they predicted cloudy & dry - and it started raining by 7 didn't stop till 10.30. On both occasions it has been visible from the radar screens that there was going to be no rain/rain respectively. This is ridiculous, these people work in limited liability, if they screw up, they still keep their job; Piers is on full liability, he has to stand up for what he predicts and he does. - Frosty overnight, 2˚C at 7.30, rain, cold S wind, veering to W by afternoon, which was very sunny, temp up to 9˚, clear evening with stars and a nascent moon. == Ron Greer: we have alders: alnus incana, glutinous & cordata, all doing well but not everywhere, on the larch ground I mentioned they're not doing well at all. We also have lots of rocks in part.
On 04 Mar 2014, anon wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy#
As I noticed some comments about wiki being owned by AGW nuts I wanted to show an edit I made to a global warming page. Anyone can change much of the pages on wiki which is why it is so unreliable. It clearly has AGW bias as they have tried to lock pages. Check out my edit. Maybe do some of your own and use wiki to actually teach the gullible some truth for a change.
On 04 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
Nigella "water is trapped as ice & this leads to considerably less precipitation? "...... it leads to lower sea levels....much on ancient civilisation is under water see Underworld ~ Flooded Kingdoms Of The Ice Age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEKyilcDCOo
On 04 Mar 2014, Paul wrote:
The solar activity appears to be returning to normal. Is this a temporary blip and solar activity starts declining again. Does this mean the planet will start to warm up again if this continues. Do you get sudden increases in solar activity followed by a rapid drop during these Maunder type mininiums.
On 04 Mar 2014, Steve,Dorset,UK wrote:
As i said in a previous Post More Tea with your Dram Hamish. . Flew over the Pyrenees this Morning on the way back from Spain and there is a lot of snow on them as well.
Bound to be global warming...... all that snow = warm.
On 04 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY -Aberdeen: Yes, Leif Kullman's research papers are indeed very interesting, especially in terms of how much higher up trees grew at various times in the present interglacial, indicating that temps were 2.3C higher than now---with no man made CO2. The Roman and Medieval warm periods are clearly indicated, rubbishing attempts by the Hockey Stickers to hide them.
Have you tried the Grey Alder ( Alnus incana) and Red Alder( Alnus rubra)? They have proved their worth at Loch Garry at 400m alt in full exposure, but they need mineral soils, even if very poor ones( which they'll enrich)
On 04 Mar 2014, Nigella wrote:
Thank you Richard. I've had a quick look at the wiki page you referred me to.
I always thought conception was a miracle - it is like survival against huge odds but that the earth exists at all & functions in the way that it does seems even more amazing.
I've read Hawking's theory on the expanding universe (although my understanding is hugely limited) and find it quite extraordinary that we are here at all.
I can't think about it for too long because our utter specklikeness when considered within the universe as a whole has the same effect on my brain as tabs of acid!
Not sure how all that came out of a very rainy car journey on Sunday evening. Am I right in thinking that during a huge ice age, water is trapped as ice & this leads to considerably less precipitation?
On 04 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
russ
yes wiki is owned by the co2ers
On 04 Mar 2014, Kaz wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone has already posted this but worth reading by Christopher Booker in the telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/10639819/UK-weather-its-not-as-weird-as-our-warmists-claim.html
In particular some of the ridiculous comments that people have made in the comments section below!
On 04 Mar 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
"Without the cooling, the effect of evaporation on the greenhouse effect would lead to a much higher surface temperature of 67 °C (153 °F), and a warmer planet" Wiki ....... That lets water vapour off the hook for causing any global warming then...pfffff! So using that same logic, doesn't this mean that if an ocean were covered in thick cloud for weeks on end, the evaporation rate would slow down, so there'd be less cooling and the ocean should warm up? But this would be off-set by less sunlight reaching the ocean surface, so it would be cooler, even without evaporative cooling. Plus on sunny day's evaporative cooling would take place in earnest. No wonder the sea is freezing cold in Skegness in July! .... On that same page it appears they think that pumping extra water from aquifers is leading to sea level rise ?????????????????? A very global warming friendly page is that one Richard. Needs reading with tongue firmly planted in cheek... 121,000³ miles of rain per annum datalot...
On 04 Mar 2014, Shaun South Wales wrote:
I love how the BBC turn everything into signs of AGW.
A renown Scottish climber states how the snow hasn't been this bad in the highlands since 1945. He has been climbing for the last 69 years all over Scotland. He has been in contact with various organisations and he is hearing similar stories elsewhere. Then some how he attributes it to AGW.
On 04 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
No Global warming for 17 years 6 months.........http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/clip_image002.png given the co2ers haven't designed in a failure point to their hypothesis ie a length of time that disproves it- that fact there is no warming in the actual for them is irrelevant. its belief what matters. People wondered why they wanted immunity from prosecution.
On 04 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
Nigella see water cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle ....unless the oceans run out of water no reason why it can't rain for 365 days a year for 10 years if the conditions are right.
On 04 Mar 2014, Nigella wrote:
Thank you Russ - maybe it wasn't such a silly question after all.
I'd never really thought about it before until I was driving in the seemingly endless rain on Sunday night & I wondered if there was a finite amount that a country could receive, which made me then in turn wonder if there was a finite amount at any one time globally.
I'm so ignorant about the way our world works, I'm not even entirely sure if the planet has a closed system or if bits of our weather / atmosphere etc escape somehow out into the wider universe. I realise the sun's rays penetrate our system, but do other things come through too?
So many questions! I need a guide to the planet earth for idiots (which isn't written by global warmists of course).
On 04 Mar 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Nigella.... Good question but I don't think it's answerable. On the one hand, the global warmers are correct in stating that a warmer atmosphere will hold more water vapour, but on the other hand, when that water laden air hits cooler air by moving to a higher altitude (warm air rises), then it will precipitate out into rain or ice crystals. Warm moist air near the Earth's surface is always trying to rise and take with it heat from the Sun warmed ground and ocean surface. The equatorial regions are always very warm with moisture laden air but the polar regions are always very cold with very dry air; all the moisture having been driven out of the air by the extreme cold. When the world is in a very warm period, the air will hold more moisture, but in a cool period it will tend release any moisture gained through solar heating as rain, but as the moisture depletes it won't be replaced if the atmosphere stays cool. So there will be a theoretical maximum but doubt if it could be reached.
On 04 Mar 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub NZ) wrote:
Piers would you please upload the RTQ forecast for March- thanks
On 04 Mar 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub NZ) wrote:
Christchurch NZ has been hit with gales following yesterday's severe weather http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/your-weather/9787179/Severe-gales-lift-roofs-cut-power-fell-trees. We were lucky in our region not to have had any hail yesterday just squally showers.
On 03 Mar 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Moderate rain overnight, temp had gone down from 6˚C last night to 4˚ this morning & it felt fresher. MO forecast said heavy rain all day in both last night's and this morning's forecasts - but I was digging a cable trench all day with rain only after 4.30. Max temp today was 7˚, usual SW wind, back down to 1˚ at 10pm, frost likely. == Saskia: thanks for your fulsome & interesting explanation, good on you and your family to be so tough, just shows what a bunch of cissies we have all become in our Western societies! ==Ron Greer: thanks for the compliment & very interesting link & site. We are planting between 100-300 trees every year, mostly filling gaps but we also have some new sites we plan to plant up, can't have enough trees! We have very poor ground in parts where only larch seems to do well.
On 03 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
The Scottish Mobeeb weather forecast on the mid evening news, finally got round to the possibility of the warm air incursion Wed/Thurs causing sufficient meltdown of the copious snowpack in the Grampians( more too tonight) to cause flooding. Wonder if they've been reading these comments pages!?
On 03 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
its not in the news anymore but the flooding is still going on. the no2 story at bbc for a long time after ukraine was the oscars. maybe they can't blame the flooding on the co2 deathstar anymore so no point reporting?
On 03 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY-ABERDEEN: as a fellow silviculturist, you will find this link and its further connections especially interesting and it's one in the eye for the Warmo-panickers http://sppiblog.org/tag/leif-kullman
BTW: Sorbus intermedia, Sorbus commixta and Alnus viridis germinating 3 weeks ahead of last year( outside no cover) of last year. Sorbus aucuparia still asleep.
On 03 Mar 2014, Co2sceptic wrote:
Hi
I noticed there is a betting market at BetFair for how the going conditions will be before the first race of the Cheltenham Festival. This is due to start next Tuesday (11th March) right in the middle of the next R5 period 10-12. Those of you who have a copy of the forecast will understand that there is a higher chance of the West of UK having heavy rain in this period. The current betting market has NOT allowed for this situation and there could be value for soft or even heavy conditions (currently priced at over 25/1)
On 03 Mar 2014, Nigella wrote:
(Time to time subscriber)
Weather update from East Berks - dry but overcast following torrential rain last night.
Forecast for this month very interesting & looking ever volatile.
I have a question, probably very dim - but it is bothering me nonetheless & I have nowhere else to ask it.
Is there a finite amount of water that can be carried in our global weather system? Obviously, we've been on the receiving end of a huge amount of water (as rain) in the last 2 months. Does this mean that other parts of the globe are going without? Is there a maximum amount of rain that can fall globally in a year?
Again, apologies if I am lowering the tone - I know some of you delve into areas of science that I will never grasp!
On 03 Mar 2014, Carl T 45 sub NE Wales ele 1m wrote:
Ground frost here this morning temps at 3c at 08:00
On 03 Mar 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Catherine (US)... Go to spaceweather.com to see what the aurora is doing.
On 03 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
The Warmo-panickers have a growing disparity over the incursions of warm air this week, The Mobeeb are going for a spring like spell at the weekend, whilst the GFS( General Fantasy Systems?) are going for a very brief incursion, with a sharp return to colder air by late Sunday.
On 03 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont] - Back OT regarding trees etc: I'll be planting an evergreen creeping vine against the East wall, be it here or at the other place, to keep wind&rain out. Contrary to what you see a lot here I won't be planting it directly against the wall but against a reinforced grid attached to wooden poles, placed approx. 20 cm from the wall. This both prevents the vine from destroying the mortar and creates an insulating 'air pocket'. The trees nearest to the house will be short fruit trees, possible larger ones will be planted further away from the house. We'll also have to see how much room there is, as Dutch rules are very strict with regard to planting trees near a neighbour's house.
On 03 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont.] - and plaster the (inside) bare stone with either lime or hemp stucco. Because another result of these conditions is that my son and I, both pretty asthmatic, haven't had ANY attacks since living here! And although it's cold inside, the air and 'fell' of the inside climate is very comfortable, not stuffy, etc. Whenever the whole village is down with the flu, all we have is 'just' a severe cold. Since 2010, the only time that I have been very ill is when suffering from a jaw infection (I have a genetic dental disorder) and NONE of us has been ill enough to stay in bed, not including my hubby's bad back (fractured 4 vertebrae 10 years ago, was told he'd always be in a wheelchair, and now walks, cycles and chops wood; only 'comes down' with a sore back once every couple of months ;-) I guess the saying "not middle of the road" is pretty applicable. [cont.]
On 03 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont.] - The next winter the moisture was reduced a lot (natural evaporation through the uncovered stone walls) and we had gotten used to living without 'regular' heating and insulation. The year after that we had 'toughened up' so much that inside temps of 15C or more (i.e. when the winter sun would shine into the living room) felt 'warm' and we would turn of the (now single) tent heater. A small wood stove in the rear of the house functioned as a 'buffer' against the cold entering the house from the NE. So, we've pretty much 'regressed' to what must have been normal living conditions in these parts about 100-150 years ago. Wood stove, cooking on wood (or sometimes on a LP hub), many candles and oil lamps ... even though we have electricity now, we've had the utility company come over several times because they didn't believe how little we use. If we do manage to obtain the other house, we'll start taking out insulation from the walls - except maybe the East wall [cont.]
On 03 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont] - As for insulation and inside temps: ours is a pretty exceptional situation. In 2010, we were 'forced' to move into my hubby's old house just as we were about to sell it and had stripped it down 'to the bare bones' per the buyer's request. Having ripped out the old sodden and mildewed gypsum plaster boards, the only thing left were the stone outer and inner walls and the (uninsulated) roof. We didn't have natural gas or electric heating, nor the money to have it (re-)installed. The first winter was hell, all of us huddling underneath blankets with 4 (LP) tent heaters blasting away and inside temps around 16C. The sodden insulation as well as a flooded small basement underneath the remnants of the old closet or box beds had caused the walls to suck up huge amounts of moisture, so the inside atmosphere was damp and very cold. [cont.]
On 03 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
Current (8 AM) temps are 3.6C and -2C (!) windchill. Kollum weather station (temps 3.1 and -0.9 Celsius resp.) has wind from ESE, bp at 987 mb (-) and humidity at 78%. Dew point at -0.4C. - @Paddy: sorry to say I missed the whole aurora spectre, but hubby-on-dog-walking-duties stated he "didn't see a thing" (although that, in itself, is not always definitive ;-) Yes, it's VERY barren over here; most trees are located in small clumps around farms and the like but the rest of the landscape is flat and 'uninteresting' in most people's view. What is interesting: when most pioneers on the US prairies went stark raving mad as a result of the ever present wind, the ones having immigrated from Fryslân (and Denmark) didn't bat an eye. As a matter of fact, the wind is still one of the foremost reasons for "Hollanders" (as we call Dutch from other provinces) to leave Fryslân again; it does seem to have a negative effect on a lot of them. [cont.]
On 02 Mar 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Quite a bit of rain overnight, min temp 2˚C, but by 8 the sun was out over the clouds and the morning was bright and relatively warm at 10˚, probably more in the sheltered spot we walked in. But after midday the clouds moved in, it became perceptibly cooler, 5˚ by 5pm in the freshening S wind, this was followed by rain & back up to 6˚ by 10pm. == Saskia: it takes a bit of doing to balance shelter and light, the important thing is to plant smaller species close to the house & taller ones further away. Re your pics, I'm surprised at the bareness of the landscape around your possible new house, so few trees, makes no sense with all that E wind. Also: are these modern houses not well insulated? We are used to cold temps here but reading about your inside temps makes me shiver!
On 02 Mar 2014, Lorraine Lister wrote:
Interesting comment from the NZ Met Service in this article which is about the cold snap hitting the South Island east coast but its what he says about the coming winter that might actually be true.http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9781451/Wintry-blast-on-the-way I hope the hail doesn't hit our region as it is prime fruit and grape ripening time here - something that will be of serious concern in the mini ice age.
On 02 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Interesting to see the disparity between the Mobeeb and the GFS charts regarding the incursion of warmer air, mid week and the weekend.
On 02 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
if anyone not seen it there is a nice daily sun earth event video. Today's explains how to use the software he uses before going into the report..... "S0 News March 2, 2014: WindMap How-To, 6.4 Earthquake ".....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90_LUMVb-FA
On 02 Mar 2014, Piers_corbyn wrote:
Contd:- ........Get real 90% of physics technology is secret and unpublished and used by businesses or the military - and note in the dot.com bubble era WeatherAction was on the Stock Exchange and withdrew when the era ended. Your argument is short on logic and of course is there to dodge the issue: the MetO has made untrue statements which are gratuitously damaging to WeatherAction and must be withdrawn. If they did it would help us spread our weather warnings across the world but then of course that is actually not what you want us it?.... Thanks all, Piers
On 02 Mar 2014, Piers_corbyn WA forecaster wrote:
GREAT COMMS ALL -- RICHARD Thanks for your info and notes re the MetO site. Please, and others, go there and add Comms dealing with the nonsense. This is what I put (awaiting moderation):..Bob, try reading. 1. As it says above our www.WeatherAction.com site carries peer reviewed and independent reports of our significant forecasting skill (which obviously includes unconfirmed forecasts) - something which does not exist for MetO 'Long Range' efforts, as well as ongoing reports from forecast users. 2. Our website Latest/news has many reports of free forecasts and warnings made in public however the green drivel sheets such as New York Times suppress such warnings preferring people should suffer storms, floods and blizzards and then get the 'Co2 dunnit' lie. 3. I presume you don't use a mobile phone or fly by plane or drink Coke because the technology is not published and daresay you would have opposed the use of radar in the war because its technology was not published. Get real....cont
On 02 Mar 2014, Catherine wrote:
I'm in central Norway right now (from the US) and want to know when is the best day over the next week that I should look for Northern Lights. What conditions should I look for to know that they will likely be seen that evening? Thanks
On 02 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
[cont.] - If we do get the house we'll be converting part of the workshed into a 'winter living room' for free heat during the winter. We'll also plant some trees on the North and East side of the house to shield it from the wind, which is predominantly NE/E/SE. People who tear down their trees to obtain 'more light' will find their utility bill increases due to the lack of protection the trees offer. Funny how most folk never even think about the 'why' of trees near the house. Yes, they keep out light, but also the hot sun during summer. And in winter they offer protection while simultaneously allowing the winter sun to filter through. Seems people were just a tad smarter 'back then' when landscaping their surroundings. On a sad note: at least 1 out of every 3 (old) trees in our region has fallen prey to the destructive winds of the past few months. Most of them alder or willow trees. Also some elm trees. I wonder how this will influence the top soil during summer, when all is dry.
On 02 Mar 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
Sunny, slightly overcast, actual (11 AM) temps of 7.3 Celsius wit 3.4 C windchill. Wind from the SE, decidedly cooler than before. Inside temps this morning just over 10 C despite having had both the wood stove and LP heater on all night last night. Guess I'll have to see if I can obtain the March forecast to see what's coming this month. - WRT trees: over here, trees were predominantly planted to shield houses from the ever present wind coming in from the East. Unfortunately, new home owners also tear down the trees in order to let in more light. Understandable, but most have no clue how to 'smartly' manage both trees and sunlight for maximum benefit. For example, we're currently in the process of trying to obtain my (deceased) father-in-law's house, approx. 10 kms to the SE as the crow flies (from here http://bit.ly/1hBpLPv to here http://bit.ly/1dabVTj). His house is situated N-S, whereas ours is facing S-N. The living room there is cold while we get extra heat from the sun. [cont.]
On 02 Mar 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Fresh snow last night down to our leval at 140metres in Highland Perthshire, adding to the still copious amounts of snow in the Grampians---all set then for another freeze-thaw-orographic event on Wed-Thurs and another landslip on the A83 and A85 roads in Argyll.
Paddy: power to your planting spade. I was the founder of the Loch Garry Tree Project and co-founder of Scottish native woods, so I appreciate what it takes to get from seed to sapling in the ground. The slopes of the A83/85 need all the soil protecting trees they can get.
Russ: I was also a member of the SNP and its Scottish Land Commission and I cannot share your hopes for Mr Salmond as he is fullly behind the AGW theory and an advocate of windturbines. I left and joined another independence party very suspicious of the EU and the global warming agenda.
On 02 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
on the MetO blog someone calls piers 'ethically immoral'. Outrageous smear given the organised co2 deception
On 02 Mar 2014, richard wrote:
finally meto published the comments on their blog. http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/the-met-offices-outlook-for-uk-winter-2013-14/
i see they playing the 'piers must do everything for free' ploy again while they squander £80m a year of taxpayer money
On 02 Mar 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
the last couple of days of Feb was just as Piers said here, mostly dry turned colder & the odd shower, i managed to get a couple of smaller veg plots turned over + some logs cut & be outside more than in, not sure how long out today as cloudy & feels like more rain on the way, maybe a day to start sorting out the Polytunnel, nice to hear the birds singing tho..
On 02 Mar 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub NZ) wrote:
A definite shift into autumn this week. Summer vegetables have slowed down and it has been cold overnight and early morning. This region (top of the South) has had some cooler southerly winds but further south thundery rain and hail is forecast for tomorrow. Hope the hail doesn't reach here.
On 01 Mar 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Bright and sunny start, temp 0˚C at 7.30, dawn chorus really starting up now on sunny days, woodpeckers drumming like mad, everyone's into family extensions, including our ducks and chickens. Another sunny day with feathery cirrus clouds, temp got up to 9˚ with a moderate S breeze, down to 4˚ by 10pm. == Last night, a friend emailed from Arnhem, Holland, that they had seen the aurora from the top of their building, quite weak because of the light pollution in town, but still, remarkable to have seen it there. Any sighting, Saskia? == Russ: thanks for the compliment! As far as the Scottish Govt is concerned, I keep as far away from them as I possibly can. And regarding Salmond and his carbon capture scheme in Peterhead, mothballed for the time being, help ma Bob! Independence will only make a difference if Scotland prints its own debt-free money - and what are the chances of that happening? :-(
On 01 Mar 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
CraigM.... I sent you half a dozen cloud photo's last week. Did you receive them ok?
On 01 Mar 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paddy.... We have always planted shrubs and trees in our gardens but not everyone likes them. The last place we lived, we planted a few young Silver Birch (always a favourite with the birds), and after 10 years were spectacular. I remember standing under the largest one, near the house, when a partial solar eclipse happened in either 1996 or 1999, and the ground under the tree was peppered with tiny crescent images of the sun. When we moved out the new owners ripped out every tree and flowering shrub. My heart sank! .... You don't come across as an eco-warrior. You seem more like a modern farmer with old fashioned merits, i.e. work with nature, not against it. Does the Scottish government impose any restrictions on the work that you can do to drain water off your land? I'm just wondering about the effect the EU rules have had on the Somerset Levels (and elsewhere), and if Scottish independance would lessen Brussel's grip on future Scottish law, what with Mr Salmond being AGW material..
On 28 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Brilliant clear start, first glimmer of light now appears at 5.30, I'm always amazed at how fast the morning light catches up at this time of year. 0˚C at 7.30, good frost, Bright sunshine, various feathered cirrus clouds dotted about, got really warm working in the sunshine, though the thermometer said only 8˚, pretty fresh SW breeze all day, back down to 2˚ by 10pm. No aurora visible tonight as we have clouds. == Russ: we've always planted trees, wherever we were, I don't understand why people don't plant trees (but I'm not the eco/ego warrior type), in our case here they transform the landscape of an otherwise bleak Aberdeenshire farm & hill, give us shelter for our polytunnels & crops, create a micro climate & living opportunities for said birds, are beautiful to look at and will leave something for our family and following generations when we're gone.
On 28 Feb 2014, Shaun wrote:
Thanks @wiggars,
I'm not saying it has no effect. I'm saying if it had an effect then it has had the same effect for a lot longer than the AGW issue. So if its effect wasn't strong enough to prevent warming when the there was genuine warming taking place (which I believe is natural warming rather than AGW). But some how now we're polluting more than ever and there are less trees, this doesn't explain the hiatus in the AGW. My point being, if it were true that the cooling from this was hindering AGW. That seems illogical as you would expect warming to be worse now pollution is worse and tree population is less. But instead warming ceased for 15 years despite less trees having less net cooling effect and more pollution which should have a greater warming effect. But my other issus is the end result is all that matters. If at the end we get no warming due to a natural pattern that includes this new tree discovery then the natural cycle results in cool and not AGW
On 28 Feb 2014, Bob Weber, N Mich USA sub wrote:
-25F (not including wind chill) overnight under large high-pressure dome during the coldest night of our coldest winter on record here, along with 160"+ snowfall to date. We had a very bitterly cold windy week. Piers' Great Lakes Feb area snow forecasts were not as severe in Michigan as predicted probably due to less lake-effect snow from frozen-over lakes, however timing confirmed several times with heavy fine powdery snow, heaviest yet of the season. Eastern USA storm in middle of Feb happened as forecasted! Tornado warnings were issued by governments in southern states for days when Piers had forecasted for tornadoes and thunderstorms in those areas. They ought to subscribe and get a better heads up. Our 2-day full moon warmup in high 30's was pretty exciting for Valentine's Day, otherwise very cold all the time. For the second time this month the new moon jet stream is much further south than forecasted - the first time this month, the jetstream spent a week on the Gulf Coast.
On 28 Feb 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
We went out last night as soon as I spotted the aurora news on the BBC front page but too late again. The NE and NW horizons kept brightening every 5 minutes or so but we missed the peak around 11pm. We didn't get to a dark site until 11.20pm by which time the graphs showed the magnetic storm had subsided.....blub....sniff....gulp..... I saw an ad' for a flight to Tromsø in northern Norway for just £67 one way. Tempting. Get to build a snowman and snowboard a bit while we're there. Could be a nice little trip. Beats sitting in Cineworld listening to someone make a sound like a geiger counter all the way through the film using nothing but a sweetie bag; and could work out cheaper!!
On 28 Feb 2014, John Gartside wrote:
To what extent, if any, does this paper correspond with your own view of the macro determinants of Climate?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/17/solar-amo-pdo-cycles-combined-reproduce-the-global-climate-of-the-past/
On 28 Feb 2014, Richard T wrote:
MET-O 3 days ago........ - There will be Snow across the whole of the South.......Errrrrr......there might be some rain.....Errrr Some snow on the Hills of Wales???......Errrr Just rain, maybe we think......watch this space.......
BRILLIANT
How our government is not genuinely embarrassed with this nonsense I really cannot get my head around.
On 28 Feb 2014, Wiggers 30d UK subcriber wrote:
@shaun - here's a slightly more balanced view of the pine trees/aerosols research:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/27/natural_pine_aerosols_could_prevent_climate_change_really_being_a_problem/
Does sound like it has some merit, not complete boll*&ks for a change!
On 28 Feb 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paddy... Great to hear you plant thousands of trees and hedges, good man. That's the eco-warrior angle I support, but then the more paranoid, child-mind of the deep eco-warrior gets the better of them, usually after listening to a Chrissie Hynde speech, then that's it. Kalashnikov anyone who even leans against a tree in anger! Next step, humans are destroying the tree planet again, better stop them by supergluing ourselves together to make a statement. What statement that turns out to be depends on the daily rag journalists mood that day, but rest assured, the supergluees won't care how mentally subnormal we think they are as long as they get airtime..... Thanks for the birdie heads up Paddy. When the sun comes out hereabouts, the birds go wild, but when the sun plays hide & seek, they all vanish again. I think they may now be spending the winter underground in abandoned rabbit burrows or some such dwelling. Spruce forest, unmanaged woodland, fields, moors, all empty, where do they go?
On 28 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Stephen: I don't know what I find more intriguing; the GFS coloured chart projections or Chimpanzee foot painting---after 5 days they are both equally good at weather predictions.
On 28 Feb 2014, Stephen Parker wrote:
RE Richard, yes the five day forecast is a joke, even three days is usually wrong. There is another forecaster that does daily forecasts in video form, and he talks about models, weeks, months in advance, you have to hand it to him, to make 7 minute videos on model projections and keep a straight face is an achievement.
On 27 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Richard: you are correct and I am old enough to remember when it was PCBs, Mercury/Heavy Metals and Acid Rain---whatever the latest coffee-table eco-panic was.
On 27 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Wet start from the end of the front that passed overnight, temp 5˚C at 7.30, very light SW breeze, brightening up by 9.30 and turning into a lovely sunny day, temp rising to 8˚, back down to 0˚ at 10pm and – to our delight – lovely aurora, not very strong but pulsating very fast, the first we've seen this winter because there was no cloud.
On 27 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Colin: Voting YES has been associated with causing every other disaster, so it might as well cause AGW too but there's lots of pine trees in Scotland that might help a bit though.
On 27 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
this week i've been watching the MetO 5 day forecast on the bbc and since the beginning of the week the forecast for Saturday has changed significantly 3 times ie dry-rain-dry. So really its not even a 5 day forecast. Its a moving target and anything more than a day out seems very suspect. As they keep updating their forecasts till the last minute if you look at them historically they will not only be proved right but amazingly so which gives them the impression of skill?
On 27 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
it seems the way to get noticed is to add the term climate change onto whatever you are interested in. So just stick the words climate change onto the end of anything and you will get a grant/have an audience. Chess and climate change, My Summer Hols and climate change, Hairdressing and climate change etc ...... Inspired by Spike Milligan i'm thinking of writing a book called 'The Co2 Deathstar-My part in its downfall'.
On 27 Feb 2014, Colin Wood wrote:
If Scotland gains independence then the average temperatures for the UK will rise dramatically. This would be more proof of global warming no doubt!
On 27 Feb 2014, Christine Gaskill wrote:
This is going on in the local university, Unbelievable!
18:15 talk The Weston Auditorium, de Havilland Campus, University of Hertfordshire We are delighted to welcome Emeritus Professor Bill McGuire (UCL), who will deliver a talk based on his latest book 'Waking the Giant: How a changing climate triggers earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanoes'. Over the past 20,000 years, as the ice sheets melted and colossal volumes of water were redistributed across the planet, the earth's crust bounced and bent, rocking our world with volcanic activity, seismic shocks and giant landslides. Bill McGuire argues that human-induced climate change is waking the slumbering giant beneath our feet once again and that we ignore these signs at our peril.
On 27 Feb 2014, Steve,Dorset,UK wrote:
Hamish also thinks all the snow could be down to global warming, More tea Hamish.
On 27 Feb 2014, Paul Martin wrote:
"World-renowned climber Hamish MacInnes believes this winter in Scotland's mountains is the snowiest since 1945. He said he had not seen such "colossal volumes" of snow since he started climbing as a youngster 69 years ago."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-26339994
Check out that avalanche picture - almost looks like the basis for a baby glacier !
On 27 Feb 2014, shaun - south wales wrote:
cont... so this seems like total nonsense. As we're polluting more now than when there was actual warming then the trees are not the answer to their co called hiatus. Otherwise there should have been no warming previously if we were polluting less back then and the trees were supposedly countering any warmth. But the other thing that doesn't make sense is that the worlds trees are in decline so surely this would cause natural warming and not cooling in the indirect manner that there is less trees to cause less of a cooling effect. But then I also don't get how this has anything to do with AGW. The end result is naturally caused cooling from trees. So if natural cooling events like these trees are string enough to counter AGW then wouldn't this be an admission than AGW is crap or at least countered by the more powerful forces of nature and its natural cycles
On 27 Feb 2014, shaun - south wales wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26340038
has any body seen this... I can't believe the nonsense they come up with. Just seeing the title and it was predictable, I instantly gathered it was the reason global warming isn't as bad as originally forecast by the IPCC. You could just sense the bullsh*t before reading it. Anyway, apparently its the previously un-quantifiable effect of aerosols released from pine cones that made the temperatures less than predicted. However, for some reason this is going to cause more cooling and mask more AGW. But I dont see how. The trees are in declined so surely the cooling from these trees would be reducing and not increasing as they claim but the other issue, these trees have been around a long time so how does this explain the actual observed warming that occurred. When there was warming those trees would still have had their cooling effect...
On 27 Feb 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
Why say anything when pictures say a thousand words; http://news.sky.com/story/1218133/polar-vortex-great-lakes-almost-fully-frozen
On 27 Feb 2014, Sue G (subscriber) wrote:
Don't have the stats, but here in The Hague this lunch time it is freezing and blowing a gale and pouring with rain so even if the R4/5 hasn't been as bad as it might have been in the UK, it is giving its all here on the other side of the North Sea.
On 27 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
The Herald( Glasgow) reports this morning, that experts from the Royal Society and the US Academy of Sciences have produced a join report on the unequivocal evidence for climate change---expect the Warmo-Panicker to blitz the blogs and posts.
On 27 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
rhys-its the same one :)
On 26 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Russ: your question is difficult to answer because over the 20-odd years we've been here we've planted thousands of trees and hedge species that the bird population has increased tremendously, so it's difficult to catch a seasonal increase. But we do have all the titmas you mention in considerable number, we also feed the birds pretty well; too early for siskins & greenfinches. We have permanent resident starlings as well as the occasional passing flock, recently there was a huge one, so large that I wondered whether the electricity wires would stand their weight :-) As for geese, they winter in our parts (much to the farmers' annoyance, eating huge quantities of grass), so they're flying north & southwards all winter, difficult to keep tabs on them.
On 26 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
What good luck this morning to see the conjunction of Moon & Venus, just 0.3˚ apart, I took some pictures. 5˚C at 7.30, rising to 8˚, SSW wind, veering more westerly by evening, cloudy morning but beautifully bright and almost warm afternoon, the sun is really gaining in strength every time it comes out. ./..
On 26 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
rhys- i posted that on his site before he did [after i posted it here] in the climate engineering section near bottom. see time stamp. [id jauntycyclist] lol. .....on another note given the weakening of the geomagnetic shield [we have at the moment] is associated with magnetic reversals and ice ages are linked to magnetic reversals then if people really wanted to live in a 'Munch Scream' they could panic about that. Mind u it can't be blamed on humans so its not as useful as co2?......During reversals the magnetic shield can drop by 90%. One big x flare pointing at earth then would fry the power supply for months if not years which would have serious social and political effects? The weather might go crazy too?............ nice intro vid from nova on the magnetic shield https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJUTUFAWfEY
On 26 Feb 2014, Rhys Jaggar wrote:
Richard
Another document submitted to the Senate by Patrick Moore is:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/22514hearingwitnesstestimonymoore.pdf
I've read most of this and it is one of the most lucid, comprehensive and thoughtful summaries of the complex debate about climate change that I've ever read.
For all who look for sources to quote when you wish to challenge warmistas, this could prove a goldmine.
On 26 Feb 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
That cartoon is both accurate and hilarious at the same time! Nice one Joe & Piers!!!
On 26 Feb 2014, Piers_Corbyn (twitter) WA Forecaster wrote:
THANKS ALL - USA (Rhys+Steve) - Yes the shift to more zonal flow USA (but not a very big shift worldwide) was identified by us in WeatherActionUSA forecasts - see it now in Forecast Archives a day early - for late Feb + Mar 1st. We explicitly mention heavy rain + thunder West coast Mar1. Although not very detailed all the weather periods prior to the last 2 in Feb for West have any significant rain only in NW. The last 2 periods put heavier rain through West and suggest more in SW later but we did not explicitly say anything about drought ending. --- STEVE Yes indeed USA split but the warm bit is definitely the smaller half - see the cartoon re-tweeted by JoeBastardi:- pic.twitter.com/iZ2Tx3fSSP and above near top main text. --- ALL PLease now it's end of month please promote forecasts and deals - eg USA and general reductuons for longer subs Thanks Piers
On 26 Feb 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
Hi Rhys. The US forecast maps for Feb showed the Polar Vortex (2 & 3) freezing the N/E states of the USA, while the western states baked in drought. Main reason for this of course being the jet stream carving Canada & USA in half with those to the West of it deprived of precipiation, those under it (i.e. the UK and central states) getting drowned like a rat, and those north of the Jet Stream suffering a record cold winter. When will the pattern change? I've measured 6 concurrent months in the UK mild/much milder than the same months 2012/3. Sick of it now.
On 26 Feb 2014, Rhys Jaggar (30d annual subscriber) wrote:
Piers
Interested to know whether you predicted the oncoming break in the Californian drought in your US forecast.
Would be a great feather in your cap if you did.
Obviously, you need to wait to see how much precipitation actually comes, but it is clearly another major shift in weather pattern, much like our drought end in 2012 summer.
Look forward to reading whether you did or not!
On 26 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
contd...to read the full transcript of the Statement of Patrick Moore, Ph.D
.
Before the Senate Environment and Public Works
Committee, Subcommittee on
Oversight February 25, 2014
“Natural Resource Adaptation: Protecting ecosystems and economies”.......http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=415b9cde-e664-4628-8fb5-ae3951197d03
On 26 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
An ex founder of Greenpeace Patrick Moore, Ph.D is saying .........
“There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2)are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years. If there were such a proof it would be written down for all to see. No actual proof, as it is understood in science, exists........
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(IPCC) states: “It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid -20th century.” (My emphasis) “.....
Extremely likely” is not a scientific term but rather a judgment, as in a court of law.
The IPCC defines “extremely likely” as a “95- 100% probability”. But upon further
examination it is clear that these numbers are not the result of any mathematical
calculation or statistical analysis.They have been “invented” as a construct within the
IPCC report to express “expert judgment”, as determined by the IPCC contr
On 26 Feb 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paddy... Have you noticed other bird-life in your neck o the woods? Any large increases in the numbers of Blue, Coal & Great Tit's for instance or maybe movements of Siskin or Greenfinches? Even Starlings have been flocking down here ready for migrating back to Scandinavia. Any obvious Goose movements?
On 25 Feb 2014, Piers_Corbyn (twitter) WA Forecaster wrote:
SUPERB INFO ALL. Richard, yes it is time to nail these Met Office Lies. I have just posted a comment 'awaiting moderation' on that link, as follows:-.....
"Sirs,
Your statement in para 5: "...it’s not currently scientifically possible to provide a detailed forecast over these long timescales." is a lie. WeatherAction does provide such with proven peer-reviewed significant skill. As an example note Autumn 2013 and Winter 2013-14 in detail for eg, UK+Eire or USA. Our Severe storm in South England of Oct 28th was forecast for late October 23 weeks ahead.
As extreme examples our forecast of the coldest December (2010) for 100 years; and the 'CRUEL WINTER' in detail of central and East USA 2013-14 (due to offset polar vortex) were superbly confirmed.
Your claim is untrue and gratuitously damaging to WeatherAction and you must withdraw it forthwith.
Thank you for your attention,
Piers Corbyn ".
Watch this space?!
On 25 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
"it’s not currently scientifically possible to provide a detailed forecast over these long timescales.".....from latest MetO blog http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/the-met-offices-outlook-for-uk-winter-2013-14/#comment-1773...maybe not for those who seem to be distracted with providing co2 models for the ipcc?
On 25 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Bright & sunnt morning & forenoon with some rippled cirrus sheets and filaments, 5˚ at 7.30, cold SW breeze - it's been around the North Sea at least once - which picked up by lunchtime and brought thicker cloud & light rain at end of afternoon. Nevertheless, in the sunshine the temperature rose to 10˚ before midday. Song thrushes have now started singing in earnest, blackbirds still a long way off.
On 25 Feb 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, sub) wrote:
solar flux on the up again. Worth closely watching the jetstream in the weeks ahead. The repeating cycle seems to be a southerly jetstream which is reinforced/strengthened by solar activity, not enough to move position but the windspeeds increase (pump?). Although relatively quiet now - compared to prev weeks - a ramp up looks in the offing. This does seem to include - again - a drop in the upper air temps so hill snow is possible, if computer model outlook based ( can be seen here === http://bit.ly/1mxbmpx === ) are vaguely right. Models hinting at pressure rize but keep getting pushed back. It very much seems 'as you were'. Spoke to Piers few weeks back and similarities with Ruskie heatwave 2010. Question is when will this pattern break? Very good (must read) look at jetstream & poss solar connections by Jaime Jessop (via talkshop) http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/jaime-jessop-climate-wars-co2-vs-solar-in-the-battle-to-lay-claim-to-jet-stream-anomalies/
On 25 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
23rd feb recorded gusts.....
Great Dun Fell (847 m) SW 63.7-73.0 (Gusts 85) mph....The Cairnwell (933 m) SW 38.4-46.4 (Gusts 76) mph......Capel Curig (215 m) SW 46.5-54.7 (Gusts 85) mph.....http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/current?LANG=en&DATE=1393156800&CONT=euro&LAND=UK&KEY=UK&SORT=2&UD=0&INT=06&TYP=windrichtung&ART=tabelle&RUBRIK=akt&R=310&CEL=C&SI=mph.....note there is a 24hr clock u have to click to cycle thro all of the readings. There are more high gusts in other time frames. So there was an event within the time window [although the high gusts look confined to the high mountains]
On 25 Feb 2014, Carl 30d Subscriber wrote:
Plenty of Heavy downpours in Bucks today.Not that much wind but showers much heavier with hail and more frequent than MetO forecast last night.Looks like Piers R5 was spot on.More interesting is the Low on Thursday.Last night the BBC said the showers would be more frequent on Thursday 27th now just seen the BBC forecast and they seem to be playing this down from last night and Piers says NoSolar Factors.I am fishing on !st March an R4 period better take my brolly even if the MetO says dry
On 25 Feb 2014, Bob Weber, N Mich USA sub wrote:
X4.9 solar flare CME from old 1944-1967, now 1990, reached near-Earth space about 5 hours after the flare occured. This flare was very abrupt. See http://solarimg.org/artis/, click on the GOES Xray flux plot. See the 100,000X increase in the short channel flux, and that it took 3 hours for the flux to diminish from peak back down to background levels. Notice the ACE LE protons and electrons charts, and the ACE HE protons chart, and the GOES protons chart, and see how they all jumped up about 5 hours after the solar X-flare. This sequence of events, if repeated quickly enough, or with the flare event directly Earth-facing, can lead to significant proton and electron build-ups in the magnetosphere, where, in seeking equilibium, are directly involved in creating extreme weather events. I'd have to check the geometry here, but it appeared from solarsystemscope,com that the flare occured just after the time of and on the opposite side of the Sun of the Sun-Mercury-Venus conjunction.
On 25 Feb 2014, Carl T 45 sub NE Wales ele 1m wrote:
Really enjoyed reading that article Richard still wet and wild here in NWales.
On 25 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
looks like the period of NO warming will soon be longer than the period of warming upon which the co2 deathstar and the 'logic of taxes to micro manage climate' is reasoned from?........http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2014/02/24/the-period-of-no-global-warming-will-soon-be-longer-than-the-period-of-actual-global-warming/..... maybe co2 is a cooling gas?lo
On 25 Feb 2014, MattL wrote:
I can't believe some climate scientists are now saying volcanoes are the reason behind the temperature plateau.
They've been saying recently there is NO plateau and the heat has gone into the oceans!
They change their opinions as often as they change their pants. I guess they'll seek to obtain their grant money by hook or crook.
On 25 Feb 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Ron... Blaming CO2 for altering climate is a bit like blaming Hitler for WW2. No one thing can take the blame, certainly not a teensie weensie bit of a trace gas, and certainly not a single person. When someone killed JFK they were going to jail the man not start another world war. The coming Little Ice Age could trigger chaos world-wide, and of course the likes of Mick Mann will be quick to blame the ubiquitous CO2 for all the civil wars that break out. But as all us NHAs (no hidden agendas) folk accept, 'twill be the solar roller-coaster ride that will determine our future. Come to think of it...which I do, didn't Adam & Eve take the blame for human sin? Or at the least the woman took the blame while Adam went fishing?......... Saskia... sick bucket lol!
On 25 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Another 'would you Adam and Eve it?' one: Yesterdday's Scotsman reported on a paper in Nature Geoscience, by a team lheaded by Dr.Benjamin Santer of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, which suggested that the hiatus in GW was caused by-----volcanic activity, solar activity and industrial pollution------wow!!!
On 25 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
was really windy for a short time last night, i slept through the worst of it early hrs sunday, thankfully nothing too extreme these last few days in Laois, still dark with heavy rain on n off & the odd gust of wind, cabin fever is setting in, think I will order up veg seeds soon & include the cost of April forecast in my budget as March forecast is going to be really helpful..
On 25 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
re solar flare...i think the single most powerful image in the video is the earth scale to the sun. If any one image might put in the heads of people that actually the sun might have something to do with climate and weather then its that one. I think most people have no idea how big the sun is...... When u look at that comparison and someone says co2 is the only driver of climate and thro taxes we can can micromanage climate people might begin to think they were leaving some of the story out if not a little unhinged? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzqN1lmi5_Q
On 25 Feb 2014, Craig M (@CraigM350, Berks, sub) wrote:
From http://www.solarham.net/ ===
"A major solar flare measuring X4.9 was just observed around returning sunspot 1967 (newly numbered 1990) [was prev. 1944] at 00:49 UTC. This just proves that you cannot judge a book by its cover. Despite appearing to be in a state of decay, the active region remains magnetically potent. A 10cm radio bust measuring 3700 sfu and lasting 85 minutes was associated with the event. The sunspot is not yet in a good geoeffective position for Earth directed eruptions. The flare is the 3rd largest X-Ray event of the current solar cycle." ===polar vortex plunge for North America as this long lasting magnetically complex sunspot region, just turning onto the visible portion, transits the solar disc again. Could get stormy again for the south in next fortnight? +++ the current earth facing coronal hole (centre disc === http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/ ===) is much larger than the previous rotation.
On 24 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Drizzly start until 10am, though it did not rain that much overnight here as further south, according to the MO radar sequence. Temp at 7.30 was 5˚C, later rising to 8˚ in sunny spells between big lumps of cumulus clouds in a moderate SW wind, back down to 6˚ by 10pm.
On 24 Feb 2014, Saskia Steinhorst (part-time sub. Neth.) wrote:
Very busy so just quickly popping in. Didn't want to keep this brilliant piece of information, provided by senator Joe Barton of the Great State of Texas, from you ignorant people: "Wind is a finite resource and harnessing it would slow the wind down which would cause the temperature to go up." From the US House Energy & Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight & Investigations. The most brilliant twisting of some facts here and there (i.e. wind behind turbines will actually slow down) and mashing it together in what can only be described as a very viable application for the Darwin Award. So you are all right to say No! against wind mills, as they will actually raise the earth's temperature. Now please excuse me while I find a bucket. - OT: 7.3 and 3.8 Celsius, actual and windchill (10 PM); Kollum weather station (several degrees warmer) has the dew point at 2.5 Celsius, wind coming from SE, bp at 1008 mb (-) and humidity at 66%.
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
20.40 and huge and unexpected gusts, not supposed to be happening according to met 0. PC one, met O nil, yet again
On 24 Feb 2014, ian wood kenmare wrote:
hi maria
it has been windy and wet but no extreme wind yet.hopefully my friends with polytunnels will be spared more misery this time.i have had to patch my tunnel with gorilla tape to survive this winter.garden shed demolished,.held together with ivy covering it and the pile of wood inside it..
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
Cheers for link Steve, raining & really windy now, would swap it for snow anyday!
On 24 Feb 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
Maria - http://www.xcweather.co.uk/ is a good place to track the wind speeds. Has a useful Animation tab aswell to track the increase in wind speeds. Currently max gust is 53mph at Roches Point in Ireland (Wexford?!) apparently.
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
Ian good to see there are more WA supporters over here, some people look @ me a bit cuckoo when I try to explain Piers methods, shame as other long range forecasters get headline or radio space here even after getting it more wrong than right! winds a little bit stronger here in Laois & cold, what's it like in Kerry?
On 24 Feb 2014, ian wood wrote:
I am also from u.k.originally(Yorkshire) been settled here for 20 years..i am on facebook and promoting ideas put forward by piers,despite them being unpopular due to extreme brainwashing..i watch the weather a lot, as I am gardening and sailing/kayak fishing in the summer....piers helps me to know when to put out my boat and bring in again...the other boat people have noticed my seemingly uncanny timing, and are starting to listen(also my neighbour who is a farmer)...f.b or blog site would be great
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
Hi Helen, I think it could be good would give Piers more recognition over here, I too am not a user of fb & i don't have unlimited broadband here & not good connection always but I would follow any site with credible info. I have no background other than homemaker but I am obsessed with the weather! Like MIA info I find fascinating as I too had only followed one outlook prior to coming across Piers in 09 & then a lot started to make sense! I am also curious re electricity & magnetic energy so thanks will look up electric universe once I've got the logs in ;)
On 24 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
i've been trying to research weather simulators where u can put in your own data and then it works out the associated weather. Has WA looked into using them? Never mind the bonus of taking the headache out of the local meteorology prediction WA could then have its own animated videos? [for subscribers only of course!]....MetO don't appear to offer this option of putting in your own data? it seems you have to take their version or nothing? But i haven't asked them.. Also for long range prediction even a 10% window would be acceptable so on a 30 day +-3days would still be ok because you would know within a couple of days of the event if it needed to be adjusted? The event would still happen but the timing moved slightly which given from how far out its being predicted is reasonable imo. After all conventional wisdom is any prediction over 5 days is impossible?
On 24 Feb 2014, Helen (Co. Leitrim, Ireland, subscriber) wrote:
Hi Maria in Laois, and Ian in Kerry, and calling all Ireland participants/ subscribers on this site. If we want to set up an Ireland Climate Realists group the easiest would probably be through a Facebook group or a free wordpress.com website/ blog. I'm not really into Facebook, but I have some experience with setting up websites. What does everyone think? It's about time we started to promote open discussion on real climate issues & WA, and how the MIA will affect us here in Ireland. Maria, I'm from England originally too. Then came over here & was working in Dublin for a number of years, before taking off for a different kind of life in Leitrim. I confess I was a pretty committed warmist myself until about 4 years ago when the light started to dawn. I have a background in science & a big interest in non-standard model ideas (like the electric universe), but not very well up on the technical stuff. I was shocked to realise how much fraudulent science has been going on over the years.
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
12.11 & just noticed Met Eiranne have issued same status Yellow wind warning @ 10.00 but now Dublin, Louth, Wexford, Wicklow, Meath, Donegal, Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Sligo, Clare, Cork Kerry & Waterford are named instead.
Clouded over here in Laois some showers cold & slight wind picking up.. Interesting..
On 24 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
there are some nice maps in unexpected places.From a surfers website this wind map animation which shows the predicted for the next week shows something with big wind arrows coming . They also have historical map archive... http://www.surf-forecast.com/weather_maps/United-Kingdom?over=pressure_arrows&type=wind...they also have maps for wave energy etc.
On 24 Feb 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
Sunny and mild here in Canary Wharf today. 14c possible, just in line with the forecast of course!
Preliminary analysis shows that we have now had 6 concurrent months which were milder than the previous year, which shows the prevailing wind direction has been W/SW'ly with the Jet Stream mostly over the UK thereby delivering the wettest winter on record.
Feb 2014 averaged 9.3c by day, 4.3c by night in Greater London. Last year it averaged 4.9c by day and 0.3c by night.
God I miss the snow. Anyone else?
On 24 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Well, would you 'Adam ande Eve iit'?---the Glen Croe/Glen Kinglas road has been yet blocked due to a landslide after a major orographic freeze thaw event following record snowfall and heavy rain---amazing! Wonder what the 'pillocktishuns' will blame it on this time----AGW or MIA!!??
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
just one more quick note on other implications of extreme weather, I'm wondering if peeps are checking out their water esp. If on own supply wells ect, we had a local customer who noticed a smell from their water & my partner requested they get their well water tested as suspected sulphur I think it was tho don't quote me, turned out he was correct & they were happy he took them seriously to forward a solution, contaminates happening more frequently, just thought should be aware!
On 24 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
if anyone not seen it there is a nice sun watchers site with latest sunspot discs etc....http://www.solarham.net/...kinda makes sense for radiohams to watch the sun as they will see its effects in their radio.
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
continued.. We need to reach understanding of our climate quickly and Piers has been beating this drum concisely & consistently & I can't believe they are not availing of his expertise to help prepare more, my partner travels for work all over Ireland & talks about WA to his customers as I'm always talking about Piers work to him & warning him if I get the gist weather is coming for his journey. Blue sky sunny spring like & parky here this a.m, Yellow wind warning for Munster, Leinster, Connacht Donegal, Monaghan & Cavan from Met Eireann, south - se winds will reach 45-65 km/hr gusts to 80/90 km/hr this aft. & eve. in exposed regions, tonight & Tues. southerly winds veering westerly will reach 50-65 km/hr, gusts 90-100km/hr highest values in exposed coastal regions was issued this a.m valid -25th 19.00
On 24 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
Hi Helen I'm in Laois, thanks also for the thought of sharing sub, yes a group like that is a good idea, I have also spoken to people over the years re Weather Action & some sound interested, but like you say most seem to reel off the but it's global warming spin or they see a tv programme released after bad weather & take it @ face value instead of asking themselves why wasn't this shown prior to extreme weather instead of after if they have such knowledge, on a small scale I grow organic veg @ home to help food costs & also I'm beginning to understand more & more the real impact to crops after watching / living with the extreme versions of weather over the last 11 yrs of living in Ireland, having moved from England I knew about Somerset levels & places that were prone to getting caught out over there & it's a shame to see it has got worse instead of better & mostly all in a matter of weeks Piers was spot on years ago when he talked of the bigger impacts of Mia
On 24 Feb 2014, ian wood wrote:
I also would be interested in a climate realist group in Ireland, that promotes this invaluable information. I live in Kerry....hopefully if such a group forms, a web address will be made available...all plant growth held back this year due to waterlogged ground(despite the mild winter)..
On 23 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
A remarkable 8˚C at 7.30 with a strong SW wind, that picked up for a few hours after between 8 and midday, abated somewhat after that, not as wild as I had expected for an R5, BUT it all came from the SW and we are in the NE protected by the Grampians. The sun was out for quite a few hours also and the temperature rose to 10˚, down to 5˚ by 10pm under a clear sky.
On 23 Feb 2014, Helen (Co. Leitrim, Ireland, subscriber) wrote:
Hi Maria and Anne in Ireland! I was going to ask about Maria sharing my sub, but great you've already sorted something out. A ClimateChange Realists Ireland group sounds like a great idea. I know there's a few more of us on here. I've tried to talking to people locally about the MIA and Weather Action but either they are ultra committed warmists or else just not sufficiently interested to get involved. Many of us here in Co. Leitrim are into organics and environmental issues. The organic farmers really need to know what Piers is saying, but they just don't understand that yet. Whereabouts in Leinster are you, Maria?
On 23 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
Piers thank you so much, just picked up forecast now & that user name still gets me :)) will never forget my better half talking to you on the phone about user name last time, I was chuffed all day that I'd heard The Mr Piers C on the phone !-) much respect & thanks again
On 23 Feb 2014, Piers_corbyn WA FORECASTER wrote:
MARIA! We updated access directly for speed to March 15-45d open till Mar14. Btw your user name was typed ...ining... So that is what you use, same password as before. I hope others will subscribe in lieu to this, dare I say interesting like so many in Early MIA, FORECAST. All best Piers
On 23 Feb 2014, Maria ( Ireland ) wrote:
That would be great thank you Anne ( in Wicklow ) & Piers so kind of you both, you have made my day :D my partner has only been back to work ( self employed ) slowly this yr after a 12 wk recovery end of last yr due to illness but i will subscribe again as soon as we have caught up with things, will Piers forward you my email or do I put it up here on a comment? Many thanks again, Maria
On 23 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
Big shift of snow flollowing the incursion of warmer air and heavy rain,,but still plenty left in the gullies and higher N facing slopes. Pitlochry dam was spilling this afternoon and all the main Tay tributaries are in spate. I see the Mobeeb have finally got round to a feature on their website regarding the high snow depths on the Scottish hills. GFS charts suggest frequent freeze=thaw changes with sharp incursions of cold air alternating with warm fromts---lots of potential for high run off.
On 23 Feb 2014, GIS Sussex wrote:
14:00 hrs: Great Dun Fell, high up on the Pennines, has recently reported a 97 mph gust.
On 23 Feb 2014, @piers_corbyn WA Foredaster wrote:
Ann (Wicklow) re sharing with Maria. OK Yes best as part of forming a ClimateChange Realists Ireland group which promotes reality on climate change and encourages more subscribers. Thanks.
On 23 Feb 2014, @piers_corbyn (Twitter) Gaffer wrote:
ALL THANKS FOR WIND GUST REPORTAGE. GREAT! Interesting MO on news 24 BBC reduced their top speeds forecasts issued sat afternoon for Sunday to 50-60mph whereas on Frid they had been warning of 60-70mph for Sunday. Anyone know when they upped forecast to whatever presumably on Sun night? And to what? If this wild winter - Mia up-ticking in R5s continues reliably we should make a new MIA-WildJetStream extension to a new R6 category of top winds in temperate zones of Beaufort Force 11(severe storm) to 12(hurricane). Thanks PC.
On 23 Feb 2014, GIS Sussex wrote:
Have just seen that gusts have reached 93 mph / 150 kph at Capel Curig in Caernarfonshire, N. Wales. Looks like you are being proved right again, Piers.
On 23 Feb 2014, Steve Devine (sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
Update 23/02 10:25am : 83mph gust just recorded in Cairnwell, Scotland
On 23 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
Ice cover on North America’s Great Lakes reached 88 percent in mid-February 2014, levels not observed since 1994. The average maximum ice extent since 1973 is just over 50 percent...http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2014/02/21/a-great-freeze-over-the-great-lakes/ ....if facts like the ice cover can affect a local climate then extreme events may trigger off a series of local feedbacks and dormant multipliers that could speed up or extend local weather conditions? These would be hard to predict but might explain how 1 or a series of big solar events or non events could provide the mood music to set off a series of local feedbacks around the world that might be greater in effect than the initial cause might suggest?
On 23 Feb 2014, Steve D (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
And so it begins. Sun 23rd Feb we already have 76mph gusts at Capel Curig despite MO warning of 60-70mph gusts (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wl/wl_forecast_warnings.html). As Piers warned at the top of this page, the R5 would make this storm more severe...
On 23 Feb 2014, Bob Tether wrote:
I agree with you Piers. I think standard met will severely underestimate the winds over the next couple of days. Hurricane force 12 - watch out everyone. This means gusts likely over 100mph.
On 23 Feb 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub NZ) wrote:
After a very hot windy day yesterday with a high of 27 degrees we woke to a cooler south westerly change. Again, windy but the high was probably only about 19. Christchurch had a mini tornado and hail http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/your-weather/9754431/Storm-brings-hail-tornado-to-Canty. Bang on cue with the beginning of the R5 period
On 23 Feb 2014, Piers_corbyn wrote:
THANKS ALL for very informed Comms and indeed remarks about me I find an honour. YES please raise the game against the CO2 con and watch this space. Media suppression OF TRUTH continues in BBC and I am wondering about SKY who booked me and cancelled. RUSSIA TODAY did the same but I think they were drawn into Ukraine reportage. == The 9+9 approx ie 18 or 19 yrs could be Lunar but by itself not conclusive. == Our bursts of Spring late Feb very nice and note although interrupted by extra penetration of storms in Feb6 SLAT9B the mild forecast remained and is been well confirmed. All others eg Express 100 Days of snow, MetO were for much colder long range and all failed. REPEAT Watch this space re combatting CO2 con. THANKS PIers
On 23 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
sun looks pretty active? http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/
On 22 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
anyone know anything about Aerology Analog Forecasting Method? http://research.aerology.com/aerology-analog-weather-forecasting-method/ it offers a sun lunar method and free maps for everywhere except europe.
On 22 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
nice pic of sun magnetic flow onto the earth http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/sunearth_lg.gif taken from http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/the_key.shtml
On 22 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
2˚C at 7.30, a bright and clear start with blue skies galore, temp rising to 9˚ in a SW breeze, some long mare's tail cirrus before various cumulus at different levels started moving in, also some lenticulars. I have noticed on a few occasions now that these mare's tails show up before an R5 period, need more observation to see whether there is a connection. Wind increased during the evening, 6˚ by 10pm.
On 22 Feb 2014, Dusty wrote:
A bit of a random question.... but can anyone point me to any data that details the thickness/depth of the earths atmosphere over time.
To my mind if it was warming it would get deeper, cooling it would be shallower.
On 22 Feb 2014, Ann ( Wicklow) wrote:
Can Maria (in Ireland) share my sub please?
On 22 Feb 2014, Richard Pinder wrote:
Watch BBC Parliament on Freeview channel 81 between 10.45pm and midnight tomorrow Sunday 23rd. You will see the most intelligent debate about Climate science since 2007, a rare appearance of an Atmospheric Physicist on the BBC, Professor Richard Lindzen, the first appearance on British television of Donna Laframboise, an investigative journalist of a quality vastly superior to any of the ignorant environmental cut and paste morons at the BBC, also a Brit called Nicholas Lewis, who I’ve heard, is an expert in the statistics side of the Climate debate.
On 22 Feb 2014, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
I have passed the page link around as much as I could. Wd Piers for your kindness in putting the page out on public forum
On 22 Feb 2014, danny wrote:
I would just like to say a BIG THANKYOU to
Piers Corbyn & all at WEATHRACTION for
making this STORM WARNING forecast public for all to see, Im now off to spread this information to
the websites that i visit, Thankyou Piers...
On 22 Feb 2014, Maria, In Ireland! wrote:
kicking myself for not subscribing! (have been following Piers since 2009 & subscribed once b4 would subscribe all the time if I could afford it, even more so if i had the money to after the last storm, Met Eireann had nothing yesterday but this morning say could be weather warning level for Munster by Tuesday a.m, here's hoping Leinster get quicker notice of warnings if its due to rip through us like it did last time as the bus driver & myself are still nervy after the assault course we had the last time around & another child's parent was injured as she waited in her car for her child when a tree came down on her car :-/ will the midlands here be @ risk again this time as really don't want to put our children through another risky school run? wish the met offices around the countries would worry less about looking wrong or right & employ Piers who obviously can do long-range to improve forecast accuracy which would help save lives & cause less misery & apprehension.
On 21 Feb 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
2˚C overnight, cloudy but bright morning, stiff SSW wind, occasional showers temp rising to 7˚, back down to 4˚ by 10pm. == For the benefit of new readers, here is that link again to an interview of Piers, Christopher Monckton, Donna Laframboise & Buster Nolan http://bit.ly/1hbOWXI Nolan is rather disconnected from the discussion but what he says does make sense, Viktor Schauberger (who was Austrian, not German) was a genius, he knew from observation that rivers cleanse themselves if they are lined with trees. He invented flumes that were able to transport logs (whole trees) from mountain forests to the valleys at great speed without ever touching the sides of the flume. And much more...
On 21 Feb 2014, Lorraine (occ sub) wrote:
You get exasperated when you see the headline in the Daily Mail today saying that weather forecasters mostly BBC had predicted a dry mild winter .... And the floods should have been predicted, has Boris been talking to the Mail.
On 21 Feb 2014, Lorraine G wrote:
I have passed Piers weather warning to my MP Nigel Adams (Conservative) and asked him to pass it on to the Prime Minister.If everyone on this site does the same they will see that Piers forecast the storm before the MET office giving him some much needed publicity!
On 21 Feb 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
MObeeb, now predicting rapid melt of record snow in the Grampians, but it was plain to see what might happen weeks ago---are the 'pillocktishuns' ready for the landslips and flooding!!??
On 21 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
contd...so what use would a MetO that incorporated some WA SLAT in their models be to IPCC? Even if it improved predictions to the nation? None..... IPCC would have to conclude there is no fox to shoot and might as well pack up and use the money for something more interesting than co2 chasing....as long as the IPCC remit is so narrow MetO is stuck unless they are prepared to go outside the IPCC magic circle into denierland. Which not only would be brave but career suicide. So Meto can only but play the co2 puppet while their long term forecasts to COBRA and the Counties [what they were originally being paid for] are not helping the nation. Rather the opposite..... Is Meto about providing the best forecasting for the UK or about providing co2 validation models for the ipcc so they can write 'co2 deathstar is coming' reports?
On 21 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
the MetO as the servant of the IPCC will never look at any non man made drivers of climate. IPCC is about man made change not any other process . If MetO starts looking at non man made process then it and its models become useless to the IPCC as they will no longer be able to base their man made change reports on MetO. Catch 22......For MetO and IPCC [by its remit] is it as if there is no sun in the sky. So no point looking for any research from MetO who will continue along the tram lines of co2 driven weather and so continue passing out co2 deathstar based predictions to COBRA and the county councils who are left high and dry with NO means to prepare for extreme events making the political class look weak and stupid. Piers and one or 2 others are all we got.
On 21 Feb 2014, richard wrote:
Given the IPCC remit is the "understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change" any non man made climate change is 'outside' its remit. They have NO duty to look at any natural processes of climate change. So they are very limited if not blinkered. Yet they are pedastalled as experts on all climate change processes?...in the media a lot of the climate change hysteria is linked to a special item of nature. ie climate change will wipe out this or that species of bird or animal or the corals etc which suggest to me these stories are coming from ecologists and not climate scientists who are too busy with the problems with their models. So where are the ecologists getting their predictions from? The only climate predictions i know come from unvalidated models.
On 21 Feb 2014, Clive wrote:
The Met Office could look at many historical patterns that lead to the kind of season that we have. There is the 50 year cycle, LIA cycle and also the mini cycles of 19 years and 9 years and so on. What ever is believed is happening with the weather due to warming or cooling such cycles still exist in our weather and the weather associated will happen.
On 21 Feb 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
If anyone wants to discuss this they are very welcome...... Weather? Sunny, very cold wind which is much stronger today 21st Feb. I had a ride out on the motorcycle yesterday. Did about 70 miles across the Derbyshire Dark Peak District in only summer biking gear. Ok...winter gloves, but the rest was typical summer gear. "Bursts of 'spring-like' weather..."? Correct again Piers! ...... Looking out of the window, there are some vicious looking clouds rolling in. Looks like mother nature might be getting a little practise in for the weekend. Thanks for the public warning Piers. I've let people know.
On 21 Feb 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Part 2 ... When you see a slow motion video of a lightening strike, sometimes it looks as though the strike goes down toward the earth, but this is because the atmospheric gases are being heated by a larger electric charge as the strike builds in strength. At first the charge is lower but as the charge builds (just milliseconds), the gases start to glow, but as the charge goes upward toward space it finds less gas and cooler gas. It also reaches regions of the atmosphere which are at a higher electrical potential relative to the ground. In the region between 30-50km above the earth's surface the voltage between this region and the ground is around 300,000 volts. It is only much higher, where the electrical voltage reverses that the Sprites occur as everything changes; polarity, voltage, temperature, gas density etc. So the upper part of the lightning channel brightens firstly, then the heating (brightening) of the channel moves downward into the denser, warmer, lower voltage region....
On 21 Feb 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
The only bit I disagree with in this video >> http://youtu.be/TPRdb5x3yi8 << is the apparent direction of electric charge from lightning. It may 'seem' like the brightnening of a sprite flowing down toward earth may signify the direction of the charge, but the brightening is being caused by extremely high voltage electric charge heating plasma. As the charge flows through different layers of the earth's atmosphere sometimes it will manage to heat the gases to levels where they glow, but in other layers it will remain invisible. Only as it reaches the most outer layers of extremely cold gas (plasma), and hits a region of different electrical potential, then it goes berserk and splashes out glowing red and white sprites of heated plasma. The brightening starts at this electrical boundary and goes backwards down the heated plasma lightning channel as more plasma is heated further down the channel. I believe Ben is witnessing an optical illusion. ...cont'd...
On 21 Feb 2014, Clive wrote:
There is also a pattern of a wet summer coming nine years after a hot summer.
1976 was a hot summer followed by 1985 a wet summer.
1983 was a hot summer followed by 1992 a wet summer (wet August)
1995 was a hot summer followed by 2004 a wet summer (wet August)
2003 was a hot summer followed by 2012 a wet summer (2nd wettest summer).
2006 was hot summer could mean that 2015 be a wet summer.
On 21 Feb 2014, Clive wrote:
I like to draw attention to something of a nine and a half year wet spell that has seemed to have developed from 1985 in the United Kingdom.
1985 was the wettest summer of the 1980s.
1994/1995 was the previous wettest winter on record.
August 2004 fourth wettest August happening in very wet summer/autumn period. Boscastle Floods
2013/2014 now the new wettest winter on record.
Floods in Somerset levels and Thames valley. If this continues we could be looking at another very wet record breaking summer in 2023 perhaps.
On 21 Feb 2014, Clive wrote:
Met Office always predicts the opposite to what happened.
The winter of 2008/09 supposed to be mild ended up very cold.
Summer 2009 was supposed to be dry and hot ended up cold and very wet.
Summer 2013 was supposed cold and very wet and ended up hot and dry.
The winter of 2013/14 supposed to be cold and dry ended up being mild, very wet and stormy.
You just cannot rely on them anymore.
On 21 Feb 2014, Paul, Bedfordshire (Subscriber) wrote:
This comment from Mervyn Sullivan in todays Mail Online says it all: "The three-month forecast, according to a Met Office spokesman was "experimental to some extent". Really? So now the UK Met Office is allowed to risk peoples' lives and property by being experimental? Legislation should be immediately passed to restrict the UK Met Office from making weather forecasts beyond a few days, and to ban it from being a producer and purveyor of climate change propaganda. It is a bloody disgrace and a national embarrassment. And whilst they are at it, how about appointing Piers Corbyn as head honcho of the UK Met Office to bring the organisation back to its feet and to bring a dose of reality into its role as a weather service?" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/registration/1391908326345481/Mervyn-Sullivan/profile.html
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